When a person is possessed by a ghost where are the two souls situated?
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The ghost inside in the body, see, basically the ghost becomes… I have a whole seminar on ghosts, you know.
I have a PowerPoint presentation also. So basically, see how ghosts work is that… Okay. I don’t know how you can see this.
How will you? Okay, you can see it here. Three levels of being, we have the soul, the subtle body and the gross body. This is normal.
So now what happens normally is that when we die, the soul and subtle body leave. Now, this happens now. If that person after that doesn’t get a new gross body, then they become a ghost.
And now this ghost also craves for a body, because they want to also fulfill their bodily desires, which require a bodily instrument. So in some situations, what may happen is that ghost may enter into another body. So that means in one body, there are two souls at that time.
So there is a dominated person and there is a dominating person. So when that person is dominated, that person’s normal personality doesn’t come out. So there are well-documented evidences.
Nrityakarma, of course, has written about this in Human Devolution. And there are many other researchers also have done research. There are cases where there is a woman who was born and brought up in Maharashtra and suddenly started Bengali.
She started speaking Bengali. She had never gone to Bengal. None of her neighbors were Bengali.
She had never known anything about Bengal. Suddenly started Bengali. She started speaking Bengali.
And she did that for around 2-3 months and then she stopped. So basically that ghost had haunted her at that time. And then they did some research.
So Ian Stevenson, who did some research in past life memories, he had done this out of what is called as possessions. So now it is not necessary that the controlling soul has to be in a particular location in the body. It’s basically the soul takes control of the body.
We use the mechanism, we use the car driver example for talking about the soul and the body. But the driver has to be situated at a particular place in a car. Because there is a physical mechanism that the driver has to control.
But the soul’s interaction with the body is not like that. Prabhupada said the soul is situated in the region of the heart. But it is not that the soul has to be situated in the heart.
It is broadly in the region of the heart. So the soul’s mechanism of controlling the body is primarily through projection of consciousness. Through identification.
Misidentification more specifically. So that can be done by some other soul also. And so that soul may come in the region of the heart and be situated in the region of the heart.
Or a soul may be elsewhere. But basically that soul takes control of the body. So it’s like somebody else may take control of a car or somebody else may hijack a plane or whatever.
So that soul may come in the region of the heart. But it is not that any soul who comes in the region of the heart can take control. It is that ghostly soul has to have that power.
And in fact the haunted person has to have some karmic vulnerability. Maybe they are very tamasic or maybe they have a weak mind or whatever. Because of which they get affected.
So the location is not important. It is the power or the control that is there. That is what is important.
That’s what enables them to do it. So if they have a very strong desire to do something and then they find that this body is an instrument by which you can do that, then they will do it. Then the first person is conscious of the activity? Usually what happens is the first person is not conscious at all.
That’s why the person doesn’t even know what happened in the last period. So what was I doing? Where was I? They don’t even know about it. It’s like almost… Stand by.
Almost like an unconscious state during that.