Does saying that multiple causes may lead to one effect make karma theory vague and unprovable?

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Summary

Many question whether karma theory is vague because multiple causes can lead to a single effect. This discussion explores why real-world causality is complex rather than unprovable, drawing parallels to everyday life and the Bhagavad Gita.

Key Insights on Karma and Causality

• Chance Is Not an Explanation: Dismissing events as “chance” is merely an admission of ignorance regarding the exact cause-and-effect pattern, not a valid scientific explanation.
• Abductive Reasoning in Life: Proving abstract concepts like love or karma relies on inference to the best explanation across multiple events rather than rigid, linear deductive logic.
• Causality is Naturally Complex: Real-world systems routinely feature multiple causes leading to one effect (like a ruined credit score from multiple debts) or one cause triggering multiple effects.
• Extending Basic Logic: Just as daily life assumes cause and effect (e.g., finding the reason for a child’s injury), karma simply extends this fundamental axiom beyond a single lifetime.
• The Complexity of Karma: Referencing the Bhagavad Gita, the movement of karma (gati) is described as dense and multifaceted, making it naturally difficult for the human mind to fully map out.
• Acknowledging Reality, Not Speculation: Complexity does not mean vagueness; rather, it reflects a realistic acknowledgment of how intricate cause-and-effect networks operate in the world.

Full Transcription

That’s why satsang is important it’s an admission of ignorance not an explanation when we say something happens by chance all that it means is that we don’t know the cause and effect pattern that led to something happening it’s an admission of ignorance not an explanation at all so to say that chance is an explanation is to mistake what an explanation means chance is basically ignorance about the precise nature of cause and effect correlation so now when we talk about karma being non-provable the proofs are of different kinds there are many things that cannot be proven in terms of linear cause and effect in real life so for example if we asked we asked someone does your mother love you yes can you prove it they could say when I was hungry my mother cooked food for me well somebody a maid might also cook for us in our office also somebody might cook and give us food in the cafeteria so that action could have multiple causes and similarly every action that our mother had done from which we infer that our mother loves us that action could be done by somebody else in a similar situation for some other motivation than love so it is rather that when we look at multiple events in which actions are done in particular ways then over a set of events the most reasonable explanation for all those actions all those situations is love so it is not a iron clad deductive reasoning kind of cause effect explanation rather it is a inference it is abductive reasoning where there is the inference to a best explanation so proof works in different ways in different domains if we consider fluid mechanics where complex statistical patterns are there that is how proof doesn’t work in terms of linear cause and effect so here when we say multiple causes can contribute to a particular effect or one cause can contribute to multiple effects in the future we are not denying the principle of causality we are simply pointing out the complexity within the principle of operation of the principle of causality so the principle of cause effect correlation does not require much proof that is a basic functional axiom in our life if a child comes to a home with a broken nose and a black eye the parents may ask what caused this so all our actions are based on cause effect correlation all that karma does is it extends this cause effect correlation beyond the immediate beyond the limits of birth in this life and death at the end of this life and the idea that multiple effects can result from one cause that is also something which we experience in daily life if one person insults somebody who is very influential and that person has a big mouth and they speak bad about this person then it may end up with hundreds of people or a dozen or a dozen people losing trust in this person based on what that insulted person said about us so one set of loose words might lead to many people our relationships or our reputation with many people will be affected negatively so this kind of one action in multiple effects or multiple causes leading to one effect you know we take a debt from one bank and we take a debt from another bank and another bank and eventually our credit rating goes down that nobody is ready to lend us anything that is resulted from multiple actions leading to one effect eventually so that happens in this life so it is not vague or speculative it is just acknowledging the complexity of reality in terms of causality in the in the real world and this is based on this just explication of what Krishna himself has said in the Bhagavad Gita Gati is the movement the movement of karma is dense it is complex it is too difficult for the human mind to comprehend and why it may be too difficult to comprehend that is pointed to pointed out to through this particular principle of one cause leading to multiple effects or multiple causes contributing to one effect.