Hearing with the ears, the head and the heart – Chaitanya Charan on Vedasara P’s Heartspace podcast

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… Invoking the divinity within us. So, if you don’t mind, you can repeat after me. … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Thank you for joining us.
… Yes, I will switch off the camera. Okay, so, thank you for joining us, everyone from, oh, Vina! Nice to have you, all the way from Brazil. … … So, we have this amazing guest.
You’re wondering why we have a whole different setup today. So, we have this amazing guest. He’s a very dear friend of mine, an incredible man.
Some people call him Chaitanya Charan, but some of you, you might, it’s a tongue twister, you know, for many of us. So, you know, his name is CC, you know, Chaitanya Charan. You can just call him Chaitanya, or CC, or Charan, whatever, whatever floats your boat.
He is an incredible man because he has dedicated his life to studying the yoga text. The Vedas are extremely vast, and he just made a commitment to study in-depth and not only study it, but really focus on… Neeta, that camera is too far. Okay, that’s fine.
And I’m not used to technology, you know, as you can tell. And Ashwini, so nice to see you online as well, and Sanika, welcome to the heart space. So, he’s been spending his life studying the Vedas, and practising the Vedas, and then imbibing the mood of the Vedas, and after that he has to, because part of the yoga practise system is that you must share the knowledge that you get.
It’s very vital. In order to have its full effect, you have to be, you have to share it with someone else. Otherwise, it’s no fun.
And so, he’s written volumes of books. He currently has a podcast called The Monk’s Podcast, and he gives Bhagavad Gita daily classes, I think, his classes, and he’s got about 700,000 people following him on that. And he happens to be visiting Atlanta, so I said, why not put him on the hot seat? I mean, it’s not really hot.
It’s actually, it’s pretty nice temperature. There’s people here with no judgments. So, I wanted him to share his his beautiful, deep intake as we study the nine islands of the heart, starting with Shravanam.
And one day, we’ll also study the stem of this beautiful lotus flower. Everybody remembers this beautiful, this is what your heart looks like. So, I’ll now hand it over to Chaitanya Charan Prabhu.
And then, whenever you have questions, you can just write the questions, and I will also keep asking him questions on your behalf. So, let us begin with words of wisdom from this amazing lifelong monk, Chaitanya Charan Prabhu. Thank you, Prabhu.
So, if you don’t mind to first tell us, what is your understanding of the heart space? And how is it applicable for us living in a day-to-day life to try and find that space and live from that space? Yeah. So, first of all, I’m grateful to be here. Thank you for inviting me and whatever he speaks about me is the potential that he sees in me which will hopefully manifest in the future.
Right now, I am simply a struggling student of the yoga texts, trying to apply them and trying to share them to my capacity. And I’m amazed and inspired to see the many ways in which my dear friend here, Prabhu, is actually sharing this yoga wisdom here in Atlanta and all over the world. I travel all over the world, but I don’t think I am as effective as he is without travelling one-tenth of what I do.
I’m happy to be here. You can tell that he has sincere humility in his heart. Please, carry on.
Thank you. So, I love the word heart space. My understanding of it would be two things.
Firstly, we have, when we use the word heart itself, there is an ambiguity to it. There is the biological organ, the heart, which is at a particular space within our body. But most of the times when we use the word heart, we don’t use it for the biological organ.
Say, you broke my heart. That doesn’t mean the x-ray will show the fragments of the biological organ, heart. We refer to the heart metaphorically as the seat of emotions.
And not just emotions, but we can also say values. Values that centre on our emotions. The thing that we value the most.
So, the heart, when we refer to, is the seat of our emotions and especially our values combined with our emotions. So, the thing that we deep care for the most, along with other things that we care for, those comprise our heart. to be, in my understanding, to be situated in our heart space, means to be aware of and to be aligned with the things that we value the most.
The things that we feel most strongly about. Unfortunately, most of the world and we could say most of our mind, the world externally and our mind internally, tend to dislodge us from our heart space. Even alienate us from there.
Because there are so many other things which pop up in front of us and they all seem more urgent and sometimes even more important. And thus, we can spend days, hours, days, weeks, months and years never really doing the things that matter for us. So, it’s when we get into our heart space, that’s the time when we are aware of what really matters to us and then we can align our time, our energy and our life with the things that really matter.
That’s my understanding. What is your understanding when you started this feature and used the word heart space? So, as you know, this heart space, we began, I think, about a week, two weeks ago. Many of you know my work, my seva in the world is to disseminate the heart that I was able to capture of my teachers.
I am simply, the via media I feel, simply a little parrot, repeating what my teachers who have dedicated their lives to serving and nurturing the beautiful divine love that is existent. And most of you know this word Bhakti, in the heart. So, for me, the heart space is a word that Keshavi Devi really liked it.
So, she said, we have to call our our Sangha, global Sangha as the heart space because we are not trying to connect with each other on an intellectual level or on an emotional level but really from the level of the heart, from the level of Bhakti, from the space of purity, from the space of sanctity, pristine, a space where there is no room for judgement, there is no space for anything other than pure transcendental love. So, for me, this is where I you know, really, really attach myself to this mission of helping people to understand this sacred space within themselves and that is where Bhakti happens. Bhakti is love, spiritual love.
So, Chaitanya Charan Prabhu has been practising yoga for many, many years. So, what has been some transformation that you have experienced and or what are some meditations that you have practised to cultivate and nurture that heart and how have you been able to share that heart with others and why do you do it? Thank you. Just before that, I would like to reflect on what you said.
So, in one sense, this Sangha heart space is where we can share our heart and where we can realise what is of value to our heart. So, this social heart space can help us all become situated more in our inner heart space. That way you can connect the two meanings.
So, for me Can you all hear him properly? Okay. For me, when I was growing up, I grew up in India and I had a lot of faith in the power of education that if everybody could be more educated, then many more doors would open for them and they could have a better life and they could all help create a better world. To that extent, with that understanding, I dedicated myself to studying.
When I was in college itself, I started conducting free tuitions for children from underprivileged backgrounds and in that way I was focused on education but then I noticed something disturbing even distressing. I was at one of the top universities in India but I noticed that educational brilliance did not correlate with a good character or good values. I could see students who were far more brilliant than me but many of them were quite short-sighted self-centred and really not thinking much about anything beyond their own pleasures.
In youth, that’s how many people are but I had thought that those who would be educated, those who would be in what I thought of as temples of learning would have higher values. I could even see that there was one student who I looked up to because he had been the first in the university for all his eight semesters. I was studying electronics engineering and he was brilliant at electronics and yet he was a chain smoker.
It just didn’t click for me if he can figure out such complex electronics problems so easily why can’t he figure out that he’s killing himself by smoking like this. So he told me that actually smoking helps me to think sharply. The sharpness is cutting you.
What is the use of sharp thinking? It is hurting you. At that time he got the highest paid job in the history of our college. He was considered to be the iconic success story but within the first six months of his working at that job he was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer and within a year of working at that job, he died.
So that shook me up and also as I said, I was talking I was trying to do pre-tutions in various subjects, English, Math, History to underprivileged kids and when I started talking with those kids, I started feeling that they started becoming friends and started caring about their home situations and most of their parents were not parents, mostly fathers were alcoholics and domestic violence and I had this stereotype that somebody who is an alcoholic is a person who is irresponsible and reckless and somebody who is drunk and lying on the street but when I talked with those fathers they were very appreciative that I was coming and teaching their children and they said that we hope the best for our children then those kids told me that once they get a bottle in their hands, they become like a different person so I started thinking at that time that am I really… when he says bottle in your hands meaning getting drinking alcohol severely drunk, okay, bottle in the hand so you know maybe that’s some of my Indian usages No, no, no, it’s really funny because that expression when I was growing up in the monastery a common theme was if someone carried a bottle, even if it was a 7 up bottle we immediately thought this person is a very sinful person because he is drinking alcohol because we didn’t know any better so that expression is commonly used in India a bottle in hand which automatically means you’re an alcoholic so just clarifying that for some of you thank you so then we as a part of that organisation on behalf of which I was doing these tuition classes we decided to get into some kind of work to help people become free from alcohol so we invited some anti-alcohol campaigners to give talks, I also learned some of those things and we started sharing and many of the parents of the fathers especially they started becoming free from it in fact one of us, a small village near our college an entire village we used the word in India became dry became sober and we considered that a great success of our social outreach but unfortunately a few months later there was a local municipality election and one of the politicians in order to woo the voters brought two truckloads of free alcohol for everyone and not only the fathers but even their kids got all drunk and that was the time both I and Mazmag some of my friends were working together we were quite disappointed but that’s when I started thinking that it’s not just that education opens doors for people but there is something inside us which stops us from walking through those doors and I could see that this self-destructive instinct that was there in somebody who was super educated and super brilliant like the student we use in India the word topper the number one student whom I mentioned earlier and it was there in people who were relatively uneducated they were living in underprivileged backgrounds so that’s the time when I started searching what is this self-destructive thing inside us and I could also notice that it was there in me to some extent I was infamous at that time for being short tempered and I could see that I was getting myself into unnecessary trouble so that’s when my reading started becoming a little more philosophical and I came across the Bhagavad Gita so initially I was a little sceptical, is this book relevant to me but when I read 336 in the Bhagavad Gita so Arjuna is asking Krishna by what is one impelled to self-destructive acts even if one doesn’t want to as if by force actually this was the exact question whose answer I was looking for it took me some time to understand what the Bhagavad Gita’s answer was and how that answer was relevant but once I understood it then I started applying the principles of the Bhagavad Gita especially understanding its wisdom, understanding life’s spiritual values and purposes and doing sonic meditation, mantra meditation chanting the Hare Krishna mantra and I found that my anger issues subsided substantially one of my close friends was, he was in his college in fact he was very close to me but he was gliding towards alcoholism he also adopted the principles of the Bhagavad Gita and he just gave it up completely so that’s the time I felt that this was the education that was lacking in society that yes education can open new doors education can create the pathway to a better life but this was the education that was lacking that we have much modern education and its importance but that education can help us make the outer world better it can help us create faster planes, better phones better devices but better devices are good enough but what about the vices inside so there are devices and there are vices and if there are vices inside the better the devices the worse the vices become somebody who is distractible they get devices, they will get a million times more distracted so I am sometimes known as the spiritual scientist I love science and I love spirituality now, so I see that science can make things better in the outer world, science can make the outer world better through improving devices but spirituality can make the inner world better by reducing vices and that’s how science and spirituality both are needed for us to make a holistic difference in the world so I was from a scientific background but I felt that there are so many people who are studying science and there are so few people who are studying and sharing spirituality especially spirituality presented from a rational logical scientific perspective that’s what I try to do any of you guys have any questions before we get into more questions from my side yeah what is vices I don’t maybe I cannot find a translation devices I know but I don’t know the word vices if you google vice it means bad habits okay thank you yeah impurities lust, anger, greed, envy the vices thank you so him being a spiritual scientist I had mentioned to him about this nine islands of the heart and we are covering only the first island and we haven’t discovered the whole paradise of beautiful islands that we have the great opportunity to fully explore and we haven’t fully explored so I was going to have him share more with us about we discussed what hearing and listening and shravanam the word shravanam in Sanskrit what it means so I wanted to have him share with us in depth a little bit more about this shravanam how is it directly connected to the heart thank you I try to gravitate whatever subject I study I try to gravitate to the Bhagavad Gita one of the lesser known verses in the Gita which talk about this principle of shravanam is 1326 in the 13th chapter Krishna talks about various ways one can raise one’s consciousness towards the spiritual level in 1325 he gives three paths he talks about karma yoga, gyan yoga and dhyan yoga and in 1326 the next verse after that he says so he says that there are people apart from these three, those who follow karma yoga, gyan yoga, dhyan yoga there are these people they may not know much about spirituality they may not know much about various technicalities of various paths but they just hear from those who are wise and then they become attracted to a higher reality when they hear then what happens they will also go beyond they will go beyond the cycle of birth and death they will go beyond mortality they will go beyond the misery that characterises this world and then Krishna uses the word when will they do that? shruti parayana so parayana is devoted dedicated shruti is to hearing in the bhakti tradition often the word narayana parayana or vasudeva parayana those who are devoted to narayana and vasudeva are the names of the ultimate reality but here it is said those who are dedicated to hearing sometimes it’s translated as those who are devotees of hearing shruti parayana so why is it so significant this hearing that it’s sometimes difficult to even conceive of some higher reality ultimate reality that we cannot perceive with our senses but and to become devoted to that we seem quite difficult however easier more accessible step to that is to become devoted to the process that will take us there and that is shruti shravanam shruti parayana so now to put it succinctly that you can say our eyes take us toward illusion and our ears take us beyond illusion toward reality so this is what happens in the bhagavad gita at the start also when arjuna comes in the middle of the battlefield and he sees the two armies in fact i have written several articles on this topic in the first chapter from 121 to around 126 when arjuna is getting confused several times he uses the word aikshita i want to see i see this, i want to see this now seeing is important no doubt but our eyes can very easily drag us into illusion because the world is filled with captivating objects which can allure us and deter us from exploring anything deeper on the other hand what happens to arjuna is that he hears the gita and by hearing the gita his illusion gets dissipated at the end he says and how did it happen he hears from arjuna in fact the last question that krishna asked to arjuna the only question that krishna asks arjuna in the gita there are 17 questions that arjuna asks krishna but the only question that krishna asks arjuna is were you able to hear attentively and the logical corollary of that question is was your illusion dispelled so the idea is that through hearing arjuna’s illusion gets dispelled so the eyes are often the pathway to illusion and the ears are the pathway to the reality beyond illusion so that’s why hearing is so important now of course the eyes can also be the pathway to reality when we come in spiritual places and we associate spiritual people and we see spiritual imagery that’s also possible and the ears can also take us into illusion if we hear if we hear just mundane or sensuous or spiritually irrelevant or distracting stuff but broadly speaking in the bhakti tradition and the broad yoga tradition that it is the ears that inform our vision that it’s not that we reject our eyes as source of illusion but rather when our ears when what we hear they inform our vision then then the path to the ultimate reality opens for us the eyes guided by the ears will show us the path to the ultimate reality that’s why hearing is so important to align ourselves with things that really matter for us because the eyes will often captivate us with things that are superficial things that are titillating things that are giving some instant pleasure, some dopamine hitting but afterwards they just become insubstantial but hearing reminds us of the things of enduring value and inspires us to realign our life with those enduring values it reminded me of something very interesting that I was told by my teacher in the monastery he explained shravanam, he said you must do nityam bhagavata you must serve the bhagavata the transcendental essence of spiritual knowledge and vibration and that you should do with your ears so, and I said ok, I get it he said no, you have to eat with your ears and I said I said shravanam doesn’t mean that he said no, shravanam means you eat with your ears, that means when you eat something you should be able to extract and digest what you eat and then whatever it is that you ate with your ears you should apply it and use that energy and resources to apply it into your day to day life so shravanam what he explained to me was not just hearing but listening deep within from your heart and making sure that everything that you hear you actually try and practically apply it and through the process of application you will then be able to have realisations which will then be part of your experience of the divinity within this world and within ourselves and thereby they become assets that carry us through very difficult parts and aspects of our lives so it’s interesting that the emphasis is so much on really listening from our heart, so Chaitanya if you could explain a little bit more if you can elaborate on this point what you mentioned just now I will have you elaborate I will have Chaitanya elaborate this one it’s a very beautiful point that it said that hearing can be at three levels one is hearing simply at the level of the ears we hear it and we don’t pay much attention to it just some information comes in the perception goes in and it doesn’t even stay for very long it’s like we hear something and even before that hearing is over we have forgotten most of it now that can happen to all of us because we have finite brain capacities but at least we try to engage ourselves intellectually so hearing it is only at the level of the senses that is you could say the least effective hearing that is also beneficial especially because if we are hearing spiritual sounds then just that contact with the sound is itself edifying it is sanctifying but it is of extremely limited value it’s like somebody gets a million dollars and a child gets a million dollars and a child thinks oh if I can just get a chocolate with it I’ll be happy if you have a million dollars you could get a million chocolates with them or more but the child is just using a million dollars for getting one chocolate that’s like underusing hearing if we just treat it at the level of information and that’s one of the biggest obstacles sometimes when we hear we often start thinking I know this and then we don’t explore it any further I know this so we turn off mentally then that is not very helpful so then the next level is hearing where it goes from the ears to the head that is where it becomes comprehension ok there is the point and there is the point of the point I know this point ok that’s ok but why is this point being spoken in this particular context what is the thought flow what is this example for what is the point of this point when we start doing that then we start getting comprehension that’s why there is engagement of the head required and that’s considered a deeper level of hearing not just the senses but you could say the sense the sense bearing factor that the intelligence the head now beyond that there is a second level third level is from the head it enters into the heart that happens when we don’t just ask how does this make sense what is the point of this point but rather how does this point apply to me how does this relate with me and my values when we make that relevant how can I use this to change my life to change myself so that is where the service attitude comes in so we are hearing not just to gain some information not just to gain some comprehension both of these could be done in the mood of mastery now I will tell the whole world how much I know I will tell the whole world how clever I am now what does that say some people say my humility is my greatest quality if somebody is humble they won’t think that they have great qualities so unfortunately what happens is that at the level of the ears or at the level of the head we may use this knowledge to simply boost our ego even spiritual knowledge can be used for a non-spiritual purpose but when we let the knowledge enter the heart or when does the knowledge when does the doorway to the heart open when we approach it with sevaya vedaprao quoted the verse nityam bhagavata sevaya sevaya means service with a service attitude this knowledge this wisdom is actually a manifestation of the divine and the divine is not to be mastered not to be conquered is not to be made a servant of my ego rather the divine is to be served so how can I apply this knowledge how can I internalise this knowledge how can I serve this knowledge what does serve this knowledge mean mould my life according to this knowledge so when we have that attitude that’s when it enters into the heart that’s when we are actually opening ourselves for this knowledge to transform us otherwise we are simply thinking of using the knowledge to do what we want to do that is also good we will be doing whatever we are doing in a more informed maybe a wiser way but we could say that we have gurus and the purpose of the guru is not just to sanction our way it is to show us the way it is not just to sanction our way oh yeah what you are doing is good yeah it’s good but there is so much more you can do in life to show us the way that is possible when the knowledge enters the heart so hearing at the level of the ears just gives us some information hearing at the level of the head gives us comprehension but hearing at the level of the heart brings about transformation it changes us it aligns our values with that which is of eternal value that which is of supreme value and that’s the transformation that can bring the greatest value to our life. Beautiful Chaitanya Charanpura another thing that I was thinking as you were speaking is how listening from the heart actually helps to build character and society today as you may observe especially someone like Diana Devi who is working in the field interacting with a lot of dented cans as we say it as an expression you can see that there is so there is a vacancy it’s void some people because this character is missing in their lives so through listening from the heart we are actually truly able to connect with other hearts and that’s what Diana Devi was writing to me about earlier in her work it’s so important that when we communicate with the world we communicate with the heart and we speak from the heart with the heart and to the heart and this is why Bhakti should be the centre of our lives when we do our morning sadhana you know it is extremely vital for us to spend that quality time with our heart space it’s just you and this transcendental heart space meditation mantra just bonding and connecting and just having that deepest relationship because when we do the heart space mantra we intentionally take our awareness to every single syllable that comes out of our mouth and be in that space in company and association of that powerful sound vibration then what happens the antennas become more in tuned with the spiritual energies of the world the spiritual vibrations of the world and all the incredible communications and informations that we can gather from our interactions with others and with various aspects of life so we have 10 minutes I’m so grateful to each and every one of you for those of you who have on video would you like to share as we know it is extremely vital that this doesn’t become something that you listen and it’s just sticks to the senses but it actually goes to your mind and your heart so if you don’t mind to share for those of you who would be happy to share about what is your reflection on this beautiful discussion from Chaitanya Charanpaloo so we’ll start with Narayani Devi would you like to share please you can just raise your hand if you don’t want to share Hare Krishna thank you so much for this beautiful information from the heart to my heart and I’m just grateful honestly to be reminded you know to spend that time chanting the maha mantra and getting myself connected with my heart so that I can connect to other people’s hearts and not get caught up in these lower vibrations of jealousy lust you know greed none of that serves me you know none of it serves any of us so when we’re connected into the heart by taking that time you know it’s just you can I just love connecting with people from that space and thank you for these helpful reminders and I really want to go on and read these Bhagavad Gita verses that you quoted 336 326 325 so thank you excellent that was 1326 1326 336 and 1326 okay we have Claudia she’s such an eloquent speaker share with us your reflection thank you so much yeah so I liked a lot when you said that science can make the outer world better but spirituality can make the inner world better so yeah and then yeah I like the part with as well with the hearing having you can hear from three levels and how important is the third one when the knowledge goes from the mind to the heart beautiful thank you so much Claudia Diana Davy thank you very much this is very very important to me I’m thinking about how my training as a therapist only goes so far the schooling that I have does not encompass the heart to heart kind of communication that you all are talking about right now that’s an education that I think is really very important as a therapist and as just a person so thank you thank you so much Ingrid okay there is a question we have a song ready you can read the question I don’t see one someone put it on the chat I think Audrey put it on the chat Audrey would you like to tell us what is that beautiful question you have I’m trying to do you see me can you hear me yes because I have problem with the computer I just went to the in Belgium and I lost my heart there that’s a good place to lose your heart I know it’s a good place you have to go back there to find it I know I have to go back that’s the point I know but I have lost I know it’s not necessary but I still have a lot of guilt and I have the feeling I lost so many time in things that not so good not so good and I have a lot of guilt and sorrow Ingrid can you have a cure time ready when we end I’m crying all the time the last time and I don’t know what to do with it I have a lot of pain I feel very guilty for the things I’ve done and it’s so many time I lost to do things that not so good for the spiritual way and for my body I don’t know how to handle it at the moment it’s very hard I’m trying to do mantra I meditate now but I’m scared that I’m gonna lose it again so that’s what I want to share beautiful and it’s ok to feel guilty it’s not it’s human and it’s completely normal now you know just making sure that you’re in the right association you have people like Kamala who is there in Belgium she is she is a heart specialist and she knows how to repair hearts so I would say that it’s such a beautiful question Chaitanya Charanprabhu please would you like to share something and we have 5 minutes sure sorry you’re going through such distress and I’ll say that two things I’ll say that first is that we can look at our life from our perspective and from a divine perspective so we use the word Krishna Consciousness Krishna Consciousness can mean two things to become conscious of how we are acting in relationship with Krishna to be conscious of how we are acting in relationship with Krishna and it also means to be conscious of how Krishna is acting in relationship with us so from the first perspective yes each one of us can think of things we have done that we are not proud of some of us may be worse than others and from that perspective to feel regret is a part of Krishna Consciousness to feel guilt is yeah I could have made better choices and I didn’t but at the same time Krishna Consciousness is not limited only to what we did or we didn’t do Krishna Consciousness also means to know that Krishna has always been acting in our life and no matter what turns we may take in our life Krishna has a plan to take us to a better place the very fact that you could go to Radhadesh and you got this experience as you said you lost your heart here that means you are still in Krishna’s loving hands and it is Krishna who enabled you to have this experience and that is what will help us to move forward so it is that Krishna is like the ultimate GPS when we are going on the road the GPS shows us the best way to move forward but sometimes the GPS says turn right turn right and say we turn left what does the GPS do at that time GPS doesn’t say you didn’t obey me get lost now the GPS immediately reroutes it says ok from here you go ahead and turn right and you will be back on the track so Krishna is like that ultimate GPS even if we have taken wrong turns still Krishna is always there to reroute us and to take us closer to him so in one sense we could say that because of my past choices I lost so much time and that is one way which is favourable to our feeling Krishna conscious but another way to understand is that even if we have made some mistakes Krishna is so expert that his plan can work even through our mistakes and he can draw us closer to him even through whatever bad choices we have made our mistakes are not Krishna’s plan but Krishna’s plan can work even through our mistakes that is Krishna’s expertise so that’s one thing to give us hope and not let us feel negative about it another point I would like to say is that no guilt can very guilt is good in the sense that guilt is like a psychological defence mechanism from unhealthy choices just like if we go close to fire we feel heat and our hand recoils from it so that’s a physical defence mechanism that is innate to us so similarly guilt is a psychological defence mechanism that deters us from unhealthy choices however guilt can sometimes misfire that means guilt and pseudo guilt can look very similar so I’ll explain what I mean by this so if I am here and the right thing that I’m supposed to do is here and something wrong which I should not do is here that’s my little finger so the middle finger is I the little finger is the thing I don’t want to do the thumb is the thing which I should be doing so guilt should be like a ring finger which comes in between us and the wrong thing that we should not do but sometimes the mind is so sneaky like I earlier said the mind can use our humility to make us proud so the mind can also use our guilt to not stop us from doing the wrong thing but to stop us from doing the right thing that means the guilt can come not in the place of a ring finger but in the place of a point finger oh I wasted so much time so what is the use I made so many mistakes what is the hope for me so if guilt is coming between us and the right thing then we have to understand that is that is guilt being hijacked guilt being misused it is pseudo guilt so if that is coming then put it aside yes and focus on the fact that yes I made mistakes maybe there are terrible mistakes but Krishna has not rejected me and the opportunity for me to reconnect with him is still there so let me focus on that and that way we can keep moving forward so if guilt stops us from doing unhealthy things that’s good if guilt stops us or discourages from doing the right thing then see that also as a illusion as guilt being misused exploited and keep it away keep a distance from it knowing that Krishna still has a plan for us I hope that answers the question yeah Hare Krishna thank you very much I also want to thank you everybody who’s giving me message so thank you there’s a lot of love thank you very much thank you so much so I just wanted to let you all know that we’re so grateful and we also have Mohini with us and our beautiful baby Mohini welcome home thank you so much thank you so much for coming thank you so much for joining us and Diana Devi, Narayani Devi Claudia and I think we also had Sandra Pamela Devi Ashwini, Ashwini nice to see you again Alina always happy to see you Audrey, Danny nice to see your face Anandini Veena all the way in Brazil and then we have Riley all the way in Florida Richard I’m not sure where you’re located Richard are you in Japan maybe, maybe not yes I’m still in Japan same Richard he’s all the way in Japan thank you Richard nice to see you and then we have Keshavi, Richard I have someone here from Alabama who’s going to Japan I’m going to connect you with him so you can keep him in shape and then Mohini so happy to see you online such an honour to be on this call Gurudev, thank you Keshavi Devi thank you for making this beautiful space where it’s free of judgement where everyone gets to pour their hearts out and nourish their individual hearts and so grateful to Chaitanya Charan Prabhu he’s travelling around the world he’s about to head out to Australia but we were able to kidnap him for the day he’s in Atlanta for a few days and incredible incredible lessons and Connie it is nice to see you joining us and here we have our amazing crew oh let’s see I got to turn on the video you have to be able to say hi to everybody here, here we go we have names and then here we have Blake so thank you all very much Namaste everyone