How to be your own spiritual master

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Hare Krishna Welcome all of you for this discussion on the Shrinad Bhagavatam So the Shrinad Bhagavatam has 325 chapters out of which the longest can be the 10th canto which has 90 chapters apart from that two of the longer cantos are the 3rd and the 11th canto So just as Krishna spoke the Bhagavad Gita similarly Krishna spoke another Gita that is called as the Uddhava Gita He spoke this as his last instruction before he departed from the world and he spoke this to Uddhava So whatever is being spoken over here this is Krishna speaking to Uddhava in fact in 7th chapter itself the Uddhava Gita starts and it goes on till 30th chapter almost 25 chapters are there in Uddhava Gita and it's the longest philosophical section in the Shrinad Bhagavatam Philosophy is there throughout the Bhagavatam but at a consistent level in terms of systematic progressive analysis this is the longest philosophical section of the Bhagavatam So let's see what Krishna is telling over here So in Bhagavad Gita it's often called as Krishna's song and the Uddhava Gita is Krishna's other song, the lesser known song but it's also an important instruction and Krishna is saying over here that all of us that the soul can be the spiritual master of the soul in some special situations or when the soul is in some way specially qualified and what does that mean? It means so normally we acquire knowledge so can also be used because can also at times reveal Shreya to us so Shreya and prayer as we know is long term spiritual benefit or short term material benefit Now Darwin had the idea of survival of the fittest so now if we observe material nature it does seem true at one time but there is severe competition and when there is severe competition actually those who are the fittest they survive of Krishna Prabhupada Radha refutation for Darwin's theory he said survival of the fittest is not true because even the fittest don't survive ultimately nobody survives everybody has to die but in terms of relative longevity yes the fittest survive however if we look at our human existence and our human nature then we will see that it is not the fittest who appeal to the heart now what is it? yes the strongest person, the fittest person that may appeal to the heart that person may win the laurels earn the most money or have the maximum number of records or whatever but actually rather than survival of the fittest what appeals to the human heart is sacrifice for the fittest when the twin towers were collapsing at that time the fire fighters who went inside told the people to risk their lives and they risked their lives so that people could come out the people could be rescued and they are considered heroes and similarly whenever somebody is in danger and another person risks one's life for saving that person that is completely contrary to the idea of evolution now why should I risk my life for somebody else if all of our goal is to survive and ok if somebody else is drowning then if I can get out of it why do I bother for nothing else so now in fact this is one of the most important arguments for the existence of God there are four philosophical arguments what we discussed in our discourse is only one of the design argument there is a design argument, there is a cosmological argument there is a moral argument and then there is the teleological argument so the moral argument states that actually from the evolutionary point of view if evolution accepted the reality there would be no reason or rationale for morality animals just act for their survival we humans also act for our survival but that is not what primarily drives us no that means yes it drives many people but that is not what draws the admiration of somebody working for survival that's good but somebody sacrificing that attracts the heart much more so now evolutionists have very little exposure they say that actually this is just some survival gene miscarriage so they consider the highest moral instincts as the survival gene's miscarriage which is a very sad and reductionistic way of looking at the most ennobling instincts of man of humanity at large so here we all have a sense of higher we have a higher sense so the idea of survival of the fittest is right when we consider our lower nature we have a lower nature and we have a higher nature evam buddhe parambudhva samsthatvyatmalam atmanam jihshatram maha bahu kamarupam 3.43 therefore use your intelligence and situate yourself in the higher nature evam buddhe parambudhva understand that you are transcendental and then jihshatram maha bahu the formidable enemy that is there material lust conquer over that so there is an inner war between us, the higher nature and the lower nature and as far as our lower nature is concerned, survival of the fittest is true for the lower nature yes if we were just animals the Darwin's theory is human beings are what? just smart apes who learn to walk upright that's their idea, that's all if we were just that, then we would not have a higher nature the nature of sacrificing oneself for someone else now why are we discussing this? it is this higher nature which can act as our guru this verse is saying gurushesh vishesh in some special situations the soul can be the guru of the soul but when is that? when the soul can perceive shreya shreya is long term how does the soul perceive shreya? pratyaksha, manavya through pratyaksha and through anima so by our observation and by our inference also we can see that scriptural truths are true so I daily write an article on the bhagavad gita which I publish on my website one of my websites so here you can see something experience it's a little blurry experience is intelligence rear light and scripture is front light so you see this picture you can roughly see this way outline over here so that represents the person the vehicle is the intelligence, the person is the rider now the vehicle has a front light and a rear light front light shows us something before we reach it and the rear light shows after we have gone through it so if there is a platform seeing it in the rear light is not of much use I have already got a joint because of it but if I see it in the front light then I can avoid it so scripture is for the journey of our life like a front light by scripture we can come to know what we will face in our life what will be the consequences of our choices and then we can make wise choices based on that but is accepting scripture just a matter of blind faith no if one doesn't accept it if one doesn't use the front light and one goes through a portal then still all of us have intelligence and by our intelligence we know that there is a joint over there because of the portal that means on this road there is a portal so actually if we see another significant difference between humans and animals is the capacity for learning and the capacity for passing on learning what does it mean? see all of us there is something called as inherited characteristics and there is something called acquired characteristics inherited characteristics come through the genes and acquired characteristics is what we learn now if we go from among the 8.4 billion species from the lowest to the highest one of the differences is the percentage of the acquired characteristics that can be learned is tremendously higher see whether they are humans or animals we will get something inherited we get a complexion similar to our parents and we get lot of things by our genes but the genes don't define the complete person there are twins they may be genetically identical among twins there are two kinds monozygotic and bi-zygotic monozygotic means actually they got exactly same gene content in the same egg as split in two so even when say zygote has split in two something like that monozygotic so that means the same genetic content from the male and the female has come together and that has split in two so if we were completely driven by our genes then the two twins who are monozygotic should be completely identical but they are not the genetic twins have remarkably similar physical characteristics but even if somebody doesn't believe in the soul at the level of mental characteristics they are often quite different one may be introvert the other may be extrovert one may be a little bit intellectual the other may be a little bit more emotional there can be so many differences so how even if one doesn't accept the spiritual character and uses the spiritual language still there is a difference in the mental language where does this difference in the mental language come from because our whole personality is not regulated by our genes see say if I was a soul in this body then I die then I come to the next body so the law of karma arranges things in such a way that when I go from this body to the next body that whatever karmic characteristics I am supposed to acquire in my next life I get parents who will give me that kind of karmic characteristics so for example say if a male complexion is considered to be a result of good karma just giving example over here so then if somebody has done a karma by which the person is supposed to get fair complexion then that person will that soul will go into a body a male and female body by which the genes will decide that the person will get the fair complexion so that means the karmic pathway includes as a subset the genetic pathway so our karma determines the kind of genes that we need but the genes don't determine genes are physical they don't affect the subtle body the soul goes from one body to the next body the soul carries a subtle body and therefore the characteristics determined by the subtle body are different even in place that's why the genetic characteristics are different so again what is the relevance of this point we are discussing the relevance is that we the difference between animals and humans we understand it as dharma or the dharma dharma is not just the capacity to do some puja or the capacity to chant some mantra when parents can even chant if a monkey is trained monkey can also hold an article no dharma refers to the capacity for philosophical enquiry the capacity for enquiring about the higher goods of life the capacity for enquiring about shreya the word dharma has different meanings and in this context this is shreya so with our protection on human we can either search for prayers or we can search for shreya that means we are there are souls in human bodies and when we search for prayers that means we search for better arrangements for eating, sleeping, mating and defending now animals also eat, sleep, mate and defend but it's interesting that animals don't labour too much to try to improve these things they will labour to get those things a cow will eat grass but a cow will not think that maybe I should cook the grass and put some spice in it and then it will taste better why? because it is more or less run by instincts which come from the genes so if we compare say if the 100% is the characteristic that a human being has then in the lower species almost 80-90% of their characteristics are inherited characteristics and a very small percent 10% is acquired characteristics whereas with respect to human beings we get inherited characteristics but our acquired characteristics are very significant in fact if we try to exercise our will consciously and determinately then our acquired characteristics can completely circumvent or counter our inherited characteristics that means a person has been born to parents who were let's say alcoholics so not only the alcoholics but they say their mother was even drinking alcohol and then she was pregnant and that can have biological effects also it's harmful for pregnancy but so that kind of thing is something which is there in the culture of course here I am not talking primarily about inherited characteristics in alcoholism the psychological characteristics but we are talking about the upbringing over there so the point is that is also almost like an acquired characteristic it's almost like an inherited characteristic it's not related to the genes alcoholism is not in the genes but it is almost the culture is such that it comes but we can change that so the acquired characteristics that we can acquire they are much much greater so another example could be say both the mother and the father are very irritable the child will be it's supposed to be irritable but the child can change that can change that the parents will be but the child can by conscious exertion of the free will become positive develop characteristics in the mode of goodness how does this happen? because the acquired or learned characteristics that are there in humans they can be adopted and these learned characteristics are what actually make the humans humans now this learning we see exhibited to a dazzling degree in the material field so science and technology have it's advances which are remarkable and when the riddle is due the riddle should be due so the scientists and the technologists they have exercised their brain tremendously to come up with all the marvels of technology that we see around us so the fact that their use of intelligence is undeniable but also to be considered is what is the purpose of intelligence so shreyo asav anuvindate shreyo asav anuvindate shreyo asav anuvindate so with our so now let's try to visualize this we have the soul around a subtle body and now there is a gross body and then there is a world around now soul can use the higher nature to inquire about the higher bigger truths of life or the soul can succumb to the lower nature and use the intelligence for inquiring more and more about things which are very different so now in some ways technology and science can be said to have neutrality they can be used so people if they want they can go on the internet and they can search for spiritual information or they can search for sensual intelligence both are possible now if people are left to themselves most of them will succumb to the lower nature and then although the possibility is rare, the probability is rare the possibility is whether it can happen probability means whether it is likely to happen so the possibility of using technology for a higher purpose is there but the probability is less because people are governed by a lower instinct unless they get some education and training to develop their higher instincts so so Atma is a Guru Atma is a Guru Atma is a Guru Atma becomes the Guru of the Atma when a person acts according to one's higher nature and starts using the pratyaksha and Hanuman to perceive spiritual truth so the classic example of this could be Buddha the Buddha was a young man he had practically everything that most young people dream about he was a prince who was going to inherit the mantle of the kinghood he had a beautiful wife and he had a healthy body so that he could enjoy but then what happened, he went out and most of us know the story he went out on his own, his father had protected him because there had been a prophecy during his, before his birth that either his father will become a great king or he will become a great saint his father was a king and he wanted him to become a king, so he said generally depending to spirituality when they see the misery of this world so I will not expose him to any misery so he never saw anything but then one day he went out with his charity and he saw a sick person and then he saw an old person and then he saw a funeral procession and what Krishna says this is so 30.9 what Krishna says and that created a thunderous spiritual awakening within him so what might have been his destiny was suddenly to go home get sickly and become a corpse but that is the age so what is the point in life doesn't life have a higher purpose so in this case what happened there was pratyaksh so he saw an old person he saw a sick person and then there was Hanuman also there were so many other people who were seeing sick people, who were seeing old people but then there was Hanuman it is not looking for shame it is looking for praise so for example there are many hospitals there are many hospitals where doctors see the suffering of the patients rather than thinking I am also suffering this some doctors think that how can I do this maybe I can ask for more tests to be done do this, do that or maybe we can do some surgery which is not actually required how can we do this so what is happening there when the pratyaksh comes the Hanuman this doesn't mean mental speculation pratyaksh refers to the use of our sensitive faculty and Hanuman refers to the use of our mental faculty so we can use our mental faculty in a way that is unruly to our spiritual realization or we can use it in a way that is pratyakun to our spiritual realization so somebody who sees suffering and thinks how can I make money what is happening the person is doing Hanuman pratyaksh is coming but Hanuman is about non-shame how can I make money how can I enjoy more of this so therefore that is why it is purusheshya vishyam purusheshya vishyam in some specific situations or among special people that by pratyaksh and Hanuman they can look for share they can turn towards their long term goal now what does it take now when I say we should rely on shakta because shakta is authority that is definitely true but we cannot close our eyes or close our mind we cannot shut it down so then how do we use our pratyaksh we cannot close our eyes so we are going to see something with our eyes and when we see something there is some thought that is going to come so our spiritual advancement will largely depend on our capacity to make our pratyaksh and Hanuman unruly to our life to the extent we are able to make our pratyaksh and Hanuman believable to our bhakti to that extent our realizations will be better to that extent we will become more insightful and we will make wise choices which will lead to that spiritual advancement so going back to this now here when I said this yeah so now this scripture is a front line that means by scripture we can do advance the word promises so many pleasures it has a load of meaning in it because there is meaning in it the room is open but what happens is our mind itself gets tempted today's culture is tempting us all you know so one devotee sent me a book written by an American psychologist directed towards parents and the title of the book is how to not become your children's idiom parents how to not become your children's idiom so that book is described how since the 80s there has been systematic sinister propaganda in the advertising industry to target young minds to target teens before that they called us tweens between the teens and the childhood so to target the children, to target those who are tweens and to target those who are teens so what is the reason for this? because in that time people don't have so much disciplinary capacity so the children our spiritual faculty is there but in children they are mostly mind and very little intelligence that's why anything goes wrong I just want it I want it so what happens is their rational faculty is not developed and at that time they are seduced into getting attracted to something they just don't listen to reason and the whole advertising industry is a whole big big racket there are documentaries made about it, there are books written about it and parents find it very difficult because they can't say they don't want to say no to their children but at the same time they can't say yes to everything the child wants so what is happening over here? the culture is growing out the children's lower nature the children say one time and then they will see some cartoon show and the cartoon show now what is happening is within cartoon shows they will show their popular cartoon characters espousing certain drugs maybe they drink a coke or they use a particular brand of a particular vehicle or a particular product and they go ahead and take that and that's how the children just get caught more and more so unfortunately our culture it is working in a very sinister way to draw out our lower nature to draw out our lower nature and perhaps the most infidious infidious most dangerous most evil minded example of this is the whole porn industry now it is the biggest problem is there are various types of addictions so porn is one type of addiction now the danger is that for all other addictions people have to spend time, energy and money to get the addicted addiction get the object of addiction somebody is a smoker somebody is a drunkard that person has to go to a place to shop or to drink or to get a cigarette and smoke but when a person is addicted to obscene images then that is practically available everywhere now internet is coming everywhere once internet comes everywhere then actually people require time energy and money to avoid this not to get to this especially for people who almost all computers nowadays whether its windows or mac they come with parental control why? because the parents are very concerned that our children should not get exposed to this kind of things now of course its not just children anyone getting exposed to it is bad anyone getting exposed to it is bad and there are many people who are married and they are addicted to this and their marriage fall apart because of that because their minds are so agitated and stimulated by by wild fantasies that even if they have even if they have a real sexual relationship that just fails in comparison and people just become crazy so what is people, if you have a stock addiction control have something because it requires time it requires energy, it requires money so that's why its a very dangerous drug, its the worst of all addictions in fact the way its growing so the point over here is that there is this cultural attempt to draw out our lower nature and that's why by our perception and mind whether Shreyas are whether they are going to pursue Shreyas its difficult to say but in principle that possibility is there for all of us so in our initial stages of our spiritual life what we do is we focus on understanding Shabda properly so we focus on acquiring spiritual knowledge through Shabda and then as we internalize Shabda more and more, we realize the truth of Shabda then then we say ok this is true it makes sense so now if we look back there are times when temptations come in our life and we are just not able to resist those temptations and we succumb to the temptations so that we may fall down but we don't have to fall away there is a difference between falling down and falling away falling down means we succumb to our temptations but falling away means after succumbing to temptations we give up our practice of doing things so after we fall down we can always get up but if we fall away that means we become so discouraged that means we are not following our practice so we fall away so we shouldn't fall away what will make a difference between falling down and falling away that will depend on our understanding of how the mind works whenever our past emotions come we see it's not that our mind is tormenting us if we have an electric current there are spikes so the spikes whenever there are spikes they can give energy to machines so often there is a spike guard when the spikes come the spikes get modulated and the electric current going to the device doesn't affect so much so our material desires when they come up they are also in spikes there are certain times when the desires become too strong at that time resisting is almost impossible but at that time there is a pothole over there but I am so blinded so in fact I can't see the pothole I go to the pothole so they do something wrong and after that you are filled with remorse now all of the mind there is so much pleasure over here but what happens is there is a little bit pleasure but there is so much wastage of time so much contamination of the mind so much frustration now I was talking about porn addiction which is there this is not just for some people who are religious and they think watching porn is involved no people who are even buddhists who don't even believe in god and they think that sex is the goal of life but if you believe why this is so addictive it catches them and drives them back so the anarchist can ruin a person not just spiritually but also materially can ruin a person also materially now when the spikes come that means we have to go right into the pothole but then at the very least what we can do is we can learn from our experience so if we can't learn from the front line some people learn even from the front line not from the real life that means even when they get the experience what happens after that also eh so he says that actually I was I was I was I was enjoying something for 100 years 100-1000 years I was I was never satisfied because the hope was not there sometimes people don't even learn from their experience but at the very least even if they have past conditions come up with a spike it blinds us but after that when the spike has come it made us do something wrong also this is how one can focus then at least you can use the reality well this is the area where the pothole was there and you look around whenever I see something like this whenever I see some hollow coming up that means it's likely to be a pothole so that means at least from our past experiences at the very least what we can do is we can take the real life into the scriptures or scriptures as it should be and then we can turn on the front light sometimes some people have a light in their life and put it on, turn it on then it doesn't soak it but in life time that can be very dangerous and this whole material world it's a place of darkness so we need to light a scripture for our journey in life if we don't have a light in the scripture then we are groping in the dark so it's best if we get one in the scripture if not at least one from the experience so what we can do is we can use our perception and anuman after the event ok I went wrong, ok I did something wrong I did it again this was the situation this was the situation when this condition came up and then I felt very good then we analyze that is what we learn and in the future we try to avoid this situation so actually it is very helpful when spikes are coming to have a spike guard so what is a spike guard for us in our spiritual life that spike guard is the emotional energy the materialistic culture is not a spike guard a spike guard is a smiling elevator isn't it there are so many sensory stimuli agitated stimuli that come up it is generally spikes it is a wild design but when we come into the association a possible place a place where there is a police a youth centre then that culture over itself minimizes our exposure to agitated stimuli and thereby it acts like a spike guard so a spike guard is something which helps us it doesn't stop the spikes but it blocks the spikes from attacking us spikes will go on in the world but it will block them from reaching us and attacking us so that is why it is very important to stay in the association and we all find out that we have our conditioning our blind spots our weaknesses and then when we know that we should create our own spike guards let me say if I had a past conditioning because of which I was addicted to watching nasty things on the internet then then we don't need internet access on the cell phone nowadays not only for the regular cell phone people have access so it may be a little more intervening we need to access the network maybe some other work nowadays something can happen online and it is required but then there are softwares which allow restricted access on a selected number of sites or we can go somewhere else in public where we have access to the sites so I was giving you an example but all of us know of conditions and we create our own spike guards so for example if I have a tendency to overeat then I can decide I will never eat any food on a regular basis or I will eat only food which is not very delicious then what happens is so the external regulation it is not an absolute protection because when I am agitated I can just throw aside the external regulation and go for it but it creates some sort of time interval between the temptation and the transgression temptation is here transgression is here temptation is an analogy transgression means that I succumb to it so tolerance is the block is the wall that prevents temptation from becoming transgression the temptation is there transgression is there what prevents temptation from becoming transgression is tolerance so Krishna talks about how temptation leads to tribulation in 5.23 5.23 what does it say chanting chanting chanting chanting how arjuna is possible for you what? sodom means tolerance tolerance chanting as long as you have a body the battle will go on but hold on there you go the energies that come because of lust and anger if you can tolerate them then salutah sasukhini niraha which a person is well situated and which a person is salutah sasukhini niraha so now our capacity to tolerate is increased that means even if the spike of temptation comes but till our capacity for tolerance is not yet developed till that time we can have external spike they will also help us to tolerate and by the tolerance gradually we will come to the level of transcendence by tolerance we will come to transcendence that means if you just talk like this no, no, no we may all have had some conditions some attachments we might have been very attracted in the past but now suppose somebody said but now if somebody offers us meat, it is unlikely that we will give it why? because now the fasad is at a higher stage where we chushtu vishnu chushtu vishnu we may not be able to speak at that but we can at least sometimes it is stressful because often the appeal of the user so like that tolerance will be transcendence over a period of time why? that is possible only when there is tolerance consistency consistency like I had a pet dog and I love the pet dog very much and then I come to know the dog also now if I get a saliva and it bites me I decide I don't want this pet dog I don't feel like killing the pet dog so I will try to have it now I have petted the dog and now the dog says why are you sending me away like this I don't want to go the dog keeps coming back again it comes back and then once, twice thrice, five times and then finally in the moment of weakness the dog does that oh my dog still loves me and even after 10 times the dog will not go so lust is like that pet dog in the past we have only founded lust the whole material civilization is all about increasing the lust that's what we call fundamentalism between lust and anger now it sounds dangerous but now it's cool but when we say go away what happens we say half-heartedly because of that it doesn't say half-heartedly once, twice, thrice, four, five times we say no and then one time we say yes and the dog still loves me and after that it doesn't go so actually Krishna says in 15.5 in the Bhagavad Gita he says nivritta kama kama means nivritta is retirement nivritta means permanent retirement special retirement, no coming back no recruitment again so we need to retire from lust before lust will retire from us we need to retire from lust no more retirement then gradually lust will retire from us therefore now this is very difficult now it's not that all lust is bad no, there is gross passion and there is a legitimate vikaramartha, kama, moksha there, like these four are the purusharthas and all but the way lust is printed in today's culture at least, even a person who has lust has to have some amount of revelation according to most servants in America an average American has between 10 to 20 extramarital affairs so it's just because your marriage is not free because when people are free like that they just go around indulging in a free licentious life so immediately one has to control so one shouldn't think that just marriage is a way to control that is one way, that is also one type of is it? that's also one? ok, there is a legitimate way therefore one has some control but that alone is not enough we have to get ourselves together and that is possible so when we hear from scripture there is a picture which is not just that we hear from scripture and accept it blindly, no think about it and when we observe the world we have to see from the world what are we the controlled spiritual beings it's not that we have to go around doing a sightseeing of the world to see if I can find a controlled spiritual being no, in the course of our life journey itself when we come across other things we know it already and thereby what will happen is we will be able to see the spiritual beings demonstrated in our life demonstrated through the bad choices that others are making and when they leave the consequences demonstrated through some of the bad choices that we make and when we get the consequences and demonstrated sometimes by the bad choices that we avoid and thereby the trouble is solved so in this way we can become our own beings what does it mean? it means that we hear from our Guru we hear from Guru Sadhu Shastra and then we dialogue with our Kshatriya Hanuman accordingly and try to understand how this is done and in that way what we have learnt from scripture will become demonstrated will become vindicated confirmed through what we experience in life and in that way our conviction will become very clear and we will have it to the extent we can become our own spiritual masters that means, now this is not in defiance of our spiritual master it is in continuance of what he is teaching defiance means I think I have nothing to do no, we all need a Guru because by default our Kshatriya Hanuman will go towards his refuge that's how it is for you as a spiritual master will pray as how do you teach scripture once you get that prayer free then you can come and organize so Bhakti Kshan Mahana I am a Bhakti Kshan Hanuman there will be continuance of what we are learning in scripture and then our life will become a daily organization where we learn more and more about the roots of Krishna and our devotion to Krishna will become deeper and stronger ultimately we transcend the mental limitations and transcend the existence itself and become that Krishna I started by talking about how we can be our own gurus and for that I will show you how we have a lower creature and a higher creature the higher creature looks for Shiva, for spiritual roots and for long term benefit and that can confirm the spiritual roots and that's how we can become our Guru but we have a lower creature and that is what impedes us to achieving the real Nirvana that's what impedes us to the survival of the next life then we discussed how the lower creature is not our complete nature apart from identity characteristic we have acquired consciousness learned consciousness and it's capacity for learning is much more even deeper than us and to the extent we learn we can conquer or curb the influence of our acquired consciousness and that learning is what is facilitated by scripture when we hear the Guruswara Shastra we can immediately apply we can see the dangers in life and avoid the temptations even if that doesn't happen then atleast after the event we can become wise so it can be our real life and then if you can't learn from the scripture as a punch line you can learn from the intelligence of the real life of the intelligence and then I discussed about spike guards how our better conditions the energy from the spikes surcharges of energy so even if we succumb to it in a short time we can learn from it and avoid the situation so one way to avoid it is by having a spike guard so the devotional culture is like a spike guard that protects us and then lastly we discussed about transcendence is the means to tolerance is the means to transcendence so between temptation and transgression is the wall of tolerance and as we keep building the wall higher and higher and higher then the temptation won't come out then we go to transcendence and it all happens gradually but we can hear from scripture and try as much as possible to use our sensory and our mental faculties to see the scriptural truths indicated in our life and in that way we will become our own scriptural master not in the defiance of our scriptural master but in the deliverance of our scriptural master Thank you very much Are there any questions?