If heavenly planets exist at a higher level does that mean there exist elements other than the eight elements?
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If we say heavenly man exists at a higher realm, does that mean that there are elements which are different from the 8 elements? No, the 8 elements themselves exist at different levels. That means, Earth, for example, when I talk about Earth, what am I talking about? I am talking about a particular gross element, which can say it carries smell.
But then, does the capacity to carry smell have to be restricted to a particular gross manifestation of the element itself? Not necessarily. If the heavens, if there exists something heavenly where we have subtle bodies, which are invisible to us, then is it that they have subtle bodies but they eat gross foods? No. If they have subtle bodies, they will eat food which is similar to that.
So, that food may also not be visible to us. So, now, we say that there are someras. So, the someras, is it like a groundwater, is it like the water we have or is it different water? So, the thing is that often when we study cosmography, we try to or we subconsciously extend our geographical perceptions of Earth onto the heavens.
Now, as it is, here is Australia, here is Antarctica, here is Europe and here is Swarga. It’s not like that. It’s a different category of existence.
It exists at a different level itself. So, that’s why we can’t perceive. But suddenly, we can’t perceive with our senses what it is.
So, for example, when we talk about, say, there is a milk ocean or there is a salt water, there is a different kind of honey ocean or whatever. Now, if we look at those descriptions which are given in the scripture, in what context are they talked about? They are talked about in the context of, say, a huge mountain which is huge, huge, huge. Now, it’s like the mountain made of rocks, say, the Meru Parbat or whatever.
But then, it’s clear from the context itself that that mountain is manifested much earlier in the universe than the Earth is manifested. And that is not a part of the earthly level of existence. It’s a part of a higher level of existence.
It’s a part of a higher level of existence. That means it is not made of gross matter as we are made. So, that means it’s made of subtle matter but there is gold.
And the only gold that we know of is gross gold. So, if gold is existing in a mountain which is subtle, then that means gold is also the subtle counterpart. So, now here, we should not get confused between two meanings of the word subtle.
Say, for example, when I say, my name is a subtle element. That refers to the quality of either grossness in terms of being able to be perceived by the senses or subtleness in not being able to be perceived by the senses. But then if I say, now, please hear carefully because I want to make a subtle point.
Now, this subtle is not necessarily in terms of not being perceived by the gross senses. Because when I am making an intellectual point, it’s not that only that subtle point is subtle. All points are subtle.
Isn’t it? None of the points, it’s not that you can see some hot wheels going from my mouth to your ears with your gross senses. So, we should not confuse these meanings of the word subtle. So, it’s not that the gross earth becomes subtle.
There are certain gross elements, there are certain subtle elements. It’s not that certainly earth will become a subtle element. It’s not like that.
But the point is that this gross element can have manifestations at subtler levels which are not for the same purpose. So, that’s how the heavenly planets themselves are made in a way which corresponds with the nature of the existence of the heavenly residents. So, the heavenly residents are subtle bodies and their planets would also be subtle bodies.
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