Is the Universal Form Material or Spiritual? How is it different from the Deity form?

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in the hearts of the devotees if it is a conceptualization then it is material and if as Vamandev reveals it then that we consider it to be spiritual because that is a revelation by the supreme lord and the idea that the lord’s bodily parts are made of material elements that itself is flawed from the point of view of the Gaudiya philosophy in fact all the Vaishnava philosophies in general so that is why the Virat group cannot be considered to be a spiritual form but at the same time when we say it is material just like when we say that Arche Vishnu that to say that Arche Vishnu that DT is just a Sheela DT is it is a hellish mentality to consider DT to be just a stone now what does it mean now surely the DT is made of stone but to think that the DT is just stone that is the offence so that means yes it is stone but because Pranapakrishna has been performed before, service has been rendered so Krishna is manifesting over there and the refusal to see that is the offence so unlike these forms like the DT is Krishna manifesting through matter so we cannot just deny the reality that DT is made of material elements but the DT is Krishna manifesting through matter but unlike the DT Krishna in the original spiritual world is not manifesting through matter, Krishna is Krishna himself and he has a Satchitananda Rupa so similarly the Virata Rupa now for the seeker if he is sincerely devoted then Krishna can manifest through the Virata Rupa also or manifest as the Virata Rupa also as he did to Vamadeva and as he made to the advanced meditators in the Vishwa Rupa but over a period of time they will understand that actually this is fine I can meditate on the Lord like this but the Lord is beyond this so that’s how whenever the Lord’s manifestations are there in matter as matter, through matter, whichever way we want to use it they are certainly invaluable but there is a difference between the various kinds of manifestations.
The Virata Rupa because it is having no eternal prototype on which it is based so it is a prototype there is no eternal prototype there is no eternal form in the spiritual world on which the Virata Rupa is based so it is considered false in the sense that it is considered imagined but whereas the deity is based, deity form is fashioned, is made based on an eternal prototype so that’s why we don’t consider that the deity form is to be rejected so that eventually we can worship Krishna in his original Satchitananda Rupa but the Virata Rupa we understand that it has to be given up eventually because there is no eternal prototype on which it is based so that’s the difference in that sense it is material but it is a useful material tool for us to meditate on Krishna