Why do some people during NDEs feel peace and don’t see Yamadutas? Doesn’t this prove that such experiences are just imaginations based on their subconscious conceptions?

Why is it that in the reported cases of NDE’s in west and east differ, people in west report seeing things which are totally
different from what we know from the Vedas……….most people claim to be seeing themselves dead and gradually rising above rising above in a realm of total peace  (HG RSP’s book “Positive thinker” has one such case mentioned)….. none of them claim to see
Yamadutas…………………does it not prove all of these to be seen only coz of the way their subconscious mind has been trained
throughout life?

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any other questions? great question why do people reporting and beings in the east and in the west give radically different descriptions many people describe rising themselves from out to a perspective outside the body and feeling very peaceful and there is no reference to seeing young buddhas at all doesn’t this difference in perception of experiences prove that people are imagining based on whatever their subconscious mind has taken in when they were alive and conscious answer it is not that the realm beyond the gross material realm is one uniform realm where everything has to be the same it is not necessary that people just like we understand the universe has 45 systems and there are different kinds of beings living in different places and people can go to different destinations so where people go after the when people have those near death experiences and they come out of the body that we cannot know in advance so we have to recognize that we should focus on what is important in these experiences so what is tangible what is empirically very strongly establishable that is what we should focus on now what somebody experienced when that person went out that is entirely subjective but what can be reliably focused on is that the person when the person body is not functioning at all there are many cases like this Tim van Lommel and many other eminent brain scientists have documented cases where the body is not functioning at all in fact there are cases where a person was brain dead there is a surgery called a scan strip where the person is given an artificial heart attack the blood circulation to the whole body is stopped the brain is stopped and then if a person has aneurysm tumorous or cancerous growth at the bottom of the brain there was Dr. Spendler who did a surgery like this on a woman and he actually took the brain out of the head and then at the bottom there was aneurysm that he removed now the blood is drained from the body the heart is not functioning the brain is outside the skull from the medical point of view there is just no way such a person can be conscious and even at such a time this lady had a medical had a near-death experience and she described what the doctor was saying, what the doctor’s assistant was saying she gave accurate descriptions so examples like this demonstrate the presence of consciousness even when there is absolutely no room for the possibility of consciousness if the materialistic explanation of the origin of consciousness were true if consciousness was emerging from the brain chemicals, neurochemicals then the brain is completely inactive at that particular time as good as Dr. Spendler was asking it’s medically impossible nothing can happen, and yet so much happened in this particular experiment and this is not an experiment, this is a particular case and there are many cases like this so the central thrust of using NDEs is to demonstrate that consciousness can exist independent of the material conditions of the body, independent of matter and the inference from that is consciousness doesn’t come from matter it comes from some other source so that is the primary purpose for which we should use NDEs and that is a very strong scientifically sustainable case that we can make now when we go into the transcendental realm when we go into the paranormal realm in terms of what a person experienced when the person was unconscious then what is the way to verify that person is thinking about some other world or is experiencing something else it’s possible that it could just be the imagination of the person, definitely that is a possibility, but actually imagination also requires some level of brain functioning when dreams are there some level of brain functioning is there if there is absolutely no activity in any part of the brain then even imagination is not possible, so what might have been programmed in subconscious mind during the conscious state and based on that some imaginations are made, that doesn’t apply only if the brain is not functioning at all so that’s why we focus on the point that consciousness is possible even when brain is not functioning, that is the focus now secondly how do we explain this particular phenomena of these sort of experiences out of body experiences, the diversity it’s not necessary that everybody has to see the Yama Dutas people who are sinful see the Yama Dutas and especially people who are on the verge of death see Yama Dutas, now there are other people who may be physically on the verge of death but from the karmic point of view they may not be on the verge of death and they may have their spiritual guidance some people may see Jesus or they may see a very peaceful light so whatever their spiritual conception is, we understand that if somebody is following Jesus faithfully then Jesus takes the responsibility and Krishna arranges through Jesus to guide for the spiritual advancement of that person so that neural experience and the out of body experience that is there, that can act as a life transforming experience which helps the person to understand life is short, I may die and there is a higher spiritual reality and that is so blissful and I want to attain that so we have to understand that these experiences can be used by the Lord to orchestrate maybe changing a person’s life and those changes can be brought about by experiences of great pleasure or great peace as when one sees some vision like Jesus or they can be brought about by experiences of great horror as when one sees a miracle, so both can work out and how the Lord is going to act in different people’s lives that varies according to time, place and culture according to the person so this is something which whether these experiences are real or not and if they are real, they are explainable from the Vedic perspective if we are going to reject the spiritual understanding then neither the perception of say Jesus or the perception of Yamunata is explainable because if the brain is not at all functioning then no imagination is also possible so therefore when we use any empirical evidences given by science, we should know what is our thrust, our thrust is to demonstrate the existence of the presence of consciousness at different point and secondarily certain other experiences are there they are not our thrust but those other experiences are also explainable from the Vedic perspective because we understand that the other worldly realm is not just one homogeneous thing yes there are spiritual guides who are there to guide us and there are material penalizers who are there to penalize us and depending on one’s karmic situation some persons when they sleep they may get sweet dreams, some others may get terrible nightmares, why the difference? it’s because of karma so like that some people when they have negative experiences they may get pleasant experiences some may get unpleasant experiences so rather than getting caught in the content of the experience we focus on the context of the experience how is the experience possible so if any experience requires brain that’s the materialistic perspective and that materialistic perspective falls well these near experiences are seriously examined and that is what we should focus on thank you so when we get