Aren’t those who doubt whether Deities can perform miracles faithless skeptics?

Why check whether something has a natural cause or a divine cause? Doesn’t everything have a divine cause?

Hare Krishna question aren’t those who doubt whether the deity can perform miracles aren’t those people faithless skeptics answer yes those who doubt the deity’s omnipotence are definitely faithless skeptics but that is not the issue at all when we are discussing miracles this argument is a straw man argument straw man means when two people are going to have a fight two boxers are going to fight and one boxer instead of getting the real competitor real opponent makes a straw replica of that opponent and beats it down and says I have defeated the opponent that is using straw man arguments so no one, no devotee is going to claim that the deities cannot perform miracles the issue to be discussed is whether the deities did perform miracles in a particular setting in a particular situation so then if guru sadhu shastra tell us that the deities have performed miracles then we accept it entirely Krishna is omnipotent but Krishna in the material world doesn’t always or for that matter usually demonstrate his omnipotence so when Krishna demonstrates his omnipotence then those are extraordinary thrilling events and when he actually so it’s not that it’s a regular event that happens it is very rare if Krishna demonstrates his omnipotence in some extraordinary ways and we need to use our Krishna given intelligence based on guru sadhu shastra to evaluate whether a particular event is actually attributable to Krishna or it is attributable to a natural explanation so the question here is not whether nobody is doubt questioning or doubting whether the deities can perform miracles the question is whether the deities did perform miracles in this case or not in a particular case or not and further at one level we may say that everything is attributable to a divine cause yes that is true everything is attributable to a divine cause but not everything takes us towards the divine so for example even the people who claim even the god men who claim to be god even there claiming to be god they would not have been able to claim to be god unless god had allowed it to happen so the fact that something is sanctioned by god does not necessarily mean it is going to take us towards god so at one level everything that happens including say the particular miraculous seeming event that is sanctioned by the lord but whether that is a manifestation of a direct intervention of the lord or that is a manifestation of the natural order that god has created in this world these are two different issues the very reason why extraordinary pastimes such as Kishore Gopinath or Sakshi Gopal find place in scripture is because they manifest a direct intervention of god within the natural order so in the sense of ultimate causation yes even the natural order is caused by god mayadhyakshena prakruti sunyate such a racharam and so in that sense yes definitely everything ultimately has a divine cause but not everything that happens that has a divine cause takes us towards the divine and even in the even in the circle of religion or in those places where duties are associated there are many pujaris who exploit people’s sentiments by claiming miracles and so they are able to fleece people is ultimately sanctioned by the lord but those who get fleeced thus do not go towards god by that so we can’t say that because everything is sanctioned by Krishna so everything is going to take us towards Krishna that’s why the point here is to calmly and to calmly and based on scripture and on our god intelligence understand the specifics of a particular situation without making value judgments about those who are making a particular who are arriving at a particular position the making value judgments will only charge the atmosphere and polarize the discussion and we are all devotees and we are all trying to serve Krishna according to our capacity in a way that works for our head and heart and rather than labelling devotees as such or like to be gullible or to be sceptical no we all need to understand that we have different natures and where guru sadhu shastra are not unambiguously unanimous there different devotees can have different positions Thank you. Hare Krishna