Why do jnanis need many lives to become jnanavan?
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ok question does the bahunam janmanam of 7.98 apply to only the jnanis or to all the other 3 categories Artha, Jigna, Surya and Artharthi and the jnanis are already eka bhaktir then why does it take bahunam janmanam for them to come to the level of jnanavan so the jnanis don’t need to go through bahunam janmanam necessarily if we see there is a cycle over there Krishna starts with he says first in 14 and then namana prapadyante is 15 and then again there is prapadyante in 19 where jnanavan mam prapadyate so from 16 to 19 is the progress till they come to the level of prapadyante and so all 4 the jnanis will come relatively quickly the Artha, Jigna, Surya and Artharthi are likely to take more time because they have to become purified and of course there are also many verses in scripture which say that if somebody practices bhakti seriously one can go back even in one one can attain Krishna even in one life but here Krishna is talking about a general trajectory for people to move from the level of approaching him to the level of attaining him so depending on the seriousness of one’s bhakti, the purity of one’s heart the conception of God that one has bahunam janmanamante that may take many lifetimes that may take one lifetime or as Prabhupada says in the 2.72 parpot that it is just a matter of understanding and accepting so it can happen in one moment or it may not happen over many lifetimes also so it’s Krishna has first talked about how we should surrender and then he has talked about those who don’t surrender and then he talked about those who approach and then he talks about how they come to the level of surrender so in that sense and it is there is a cyclicity over there which we will see if we consider that it applies to four categories, otherwise if he says it applies only to one of them then what is the fate of the other three don’t they ever attain Krishna at all don’t they overcome illusion then there is no other place where Krishna is analyzing that in the 7th chapter so in terms of the and then of course after that he is shifting to people who surrender to something other than him, the Devatas and the impersonal Brahman so in that sense that should be that process of maturing from approaching to surrendering that in one sense it needs to apply to all four categories otherwise where is the trajectory for the other four categories given over there